Prophecy … The Rapture (Part 4)

TUESDAY, MAY 15, 2012

The Rapture (Part 4)

Andy WoodsBy Dr. Andy Woods 
Sugar Land Bible Church 


My previous articles [1] commenced a series on the rapture of the church. We began with the question, “What is the Rapture?” This question can best be answered by noting ten truths about the rapture from 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-58. In previous articles, we saw that therapture is an important doctrine and not something that can be marginalized or explained away as a secondary doctrine. We also noted that the rapture is an event that is distinct from the Second Advent of Christ. We further observed that the rapture will involve the catching up of every believer to meet the Lord in the air. We now move to our fourth point.

A Reunion

Fourth, the rapture will be a reunion. The concern of Paul’s Thessalonian converts that initiated his discussion on the rapture is recorded in 1 Thessalonians 4:13. This verse says, “But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope.” Apparently, upon planting the church in Thessalonica, Paul had taught the new converts about the rapture. However, his sudden departure from Thessalonica (Acts 17:1-9) left him no opportunity to explain the full ramifications and implications of this doctrine. Thus, when some of the Thessalonian Christians began to die, either due to natural causes or persecution, the question that likely remained in the minds of the living Thessalonian believers was whether those who had died before the Lord’s return in the clouds would miss the rapture?

Paul explains the reason that the Thessalonians made this inquiry was that they were “uninformed” (1 Thess. 4:13). The Greek word translated “uninformed” is agnoeō. Because “a” is a negation and “gnōsis” means “knowledge,” agnoeō literally means “without knowledge.” From this Greek word agnoeō, we get the English words “agnostic,” “ignorant,” or “ignoramus.” Calling someone ignorant is not necessarily an insult. Ignorance does not mean stupidity, or the inability to grasp truth. Rather, it simply refers to someone who is not yet fully informed. The reason that the Thessalonians were asking the question is because they did not have all of the facts. Paul, as the revealer of new doctrine for the Church-Age, had thus far no opportunity to explain to them how the rapture doctrine related or applied to Christians who had already died. The Thessalonians could not consult the New Testament to discover this reality, since the New Testament itself was just being initially formulated.

Paul answers the question that was on the minds of the Thessalonians in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17. He notes,

“For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.”

Here and elsewhere, Paul explains what happens to the souls or spirits of deceased Church-Age believers. Church-Age believers are those saints who have lived and died anytime in between the church’s founding on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2) and its earthly termination at the point of the rapture (1 Thess. 4:13-181 Cor. 15:50-58). Paul typically refers to Church-Age believers as those who are “in Christ” (1 Thess. 4:16) or “in Jesus” (1 Thess. 4:14). At death, deceased Church-Age believers’ souls or spirits leave the body and go immediately into the presence of God (Acts 7:592 Cor. 5:8; Philip. 1:21-23) to remain there until the rapture.

At the point of the rapture, deceased Church-Age believers, whose spirits or souls are currently in the presence of the Lord, will then descend from heaven with the Lord and be resurrected or raised (1 Thess. 4:16) “first” (prōton). Then those believers who are living on the earth at the time of the rapture will be caught up to be with the Lord and be resurrected second (1 Thess. 4:1517). Thus, the believers caught up from the earth at the time of the rapture will meet the resurrected Church-Age saints who are descending with the Lord. The two groups will meet together in the clouds to be forever with the Lord (1 Thess. 4:17).

Paul’s point in explaining how the rapture event relates to the dead in Christ is that the Thessalonians should not grieve as those who have no hope (1 Thess. 4:13). They will see their deceased loved ones again at the moment of the rapture. In fact, the rapture event will begin with the descent of the Lord along with these deceased Church-Age believers. Because the rapture will involve a reunion between deceased Church-Age believers and living Church-Age believers, there is no need to grieve over their deaths to the extent that the unsaved world would grieve over such a loss. Paul comforts the Thessalonians by teaching them that they will see their dead, believing loved ones again at the point of the rapture!

Interestingly, Paul never tells the Thessalonians not to grieve over the loss of their deceased, believing loved ones. Grief over such a loss is normal and natural and should never be artificially stifled or suppressed. Paul instead says to them and to us to “not grieve as do the rest who have no hope” (1 Thess. 4:13). In other words, do not grieve as if you do not have the hope of ever seeing your deceased loved ones in Christ again. Do not grieve like an unbeliever does who has no hope of ever seeing a deceased loved one again after death. Do not grieve as the world does. Such a perspective explains why Paul concludes his discussion on the rapture to the Thessalonian believers with the phrase, “Therefore comfort one another with these words” (1 Thess. 4:18).

Deceased Church-Age believers are looking forward to the rapture as much as those of us who have trusted in Christ who are presently living on the earth. As explained previously, deceased believers currently in the presence of God will receive their resurrected bodies at the point of the rapture along with believing earth dwellers, whose bodies will be changed. The prospect of a glorified body is just as inviting to a deceased believer as it is to an earth-dwelling believer. Either way, all Church-Age believers will participate in the rapture. Should we die before this momentous event, we will participate as we are resurrected first after our spirits or souls are brought down with Christ. Should we happen to experience this event before death, we will participate in the rapture by being caught up to Christ and changed second. At any rate, all Church-Age Christians will participate in the rapture, either on the way down or on the way up.

In sum, not only is the rapture an important doctrine, an event that is distinct from the Second Advent of Christ, and an event that will involve the catching up of every believer to meet the Lord in the air, but the rapture will also be a reunion between living and deceased believers. Therefore, this reunion element of the rapture doctrine furnishes a tremendous comfort to those living believers who have lost a loved one in Christ through death.

(To Be Continued…)

Prophecy Before Our Eyes….. Another Blast from Tehran

Monday, May 28, 2012

Another Blast from Tehran

David DolanBy David Dolan
DDolan.com

Although it was barely reported by the world press, another serious Iranian threat was issued against Israel during May—a fresh vow that the world’s only Jewish State will be totally erased from the Middle East map. More ominously, the vitriolic pledge came from the country’s senior military leader, Armed Forces Chief of Staff Hassan Firouzabadi. According to the state-controlled Fars news agency, he told a “defense gathering” in Tehran on May 20 that “The Iranian nation is standing for its cause, which is the full annihilation of Israel.” The top military commander added that “threats and pressures cannot deter Iran from its revolutionary causes and ideals,” meaning international sanctions and warnings of possible military action against the Shiite regime’s manifold nuclear sites will not alter its jihad war against Israel. He called upon the world “to wake up” to the supposed “threats and dangers posed by the Zionist regime,” as if the Iranian regime’s repeated vows to destroy Israel while pursuing a rogue nuclear development program were just plot lines in some science fiction film. The Major General was said by Fars to have “reiterated the Iranian nation and Supreme Leader’s emphasis on the necessity of support for the oppressed Palestinian nation and its causes.” He reminded his audience that Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said earlier this year that “defending Palestine is a full religious duty,” adding “he believes that any kind of governance and rule by anyone other than the Palestinians is an instance of usurpation.”

The latest Iranian vow to annihilate Israel came just days before diplomats from the so-called P5+1 nations, the USA, UK, Russia, China, France, plus non-nuclear Germany, held crucial talks with their Iranian counterparts. After two days of discussions in Baghdad, European Union foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton admitted that “significant differences” were evident at the talks. Speaking more bluntly, British Foreign Secretary William Hague told reporters only “limited progress” had been made. He also warned that the defiant Shiite regime would face intensifying economic sanctions and the growing prospect of military action unless Iranian leaders took what he termed “urgent, concrete steps” to scale back their uranium enrichment program. This came after chief Iranian negotiator Said Jalili insisted once again that Iran “has every right to enrich uranium” for supposedly peaceful purposes. Days later, Iran announced it would begin constructing a second nuclear power plant in the south of the country next year.

Bushehr

After hearing the unimpressive results of the latest talks with Iran, PM Netanyahu repeated his government’s position that the belligerent Iranian regime was merely stalling for time as it proceeded full speed with its insidious nuclear weapons program. Earlier in the month, Brad Gordon, a former US government arms control official who now works for the AIPAC pro-Israel lobby in Washington DC, told a conference in New York that Iran has enough uranium already enriched to twenty percent grade to produce several nuclear warheads in short order. He pointed out that although such uranium must be fortified to ninety percent to reach weapons grade, the spinning process to reach that level is a rapid one.

Gordon’s chilling assessment was echoed by the Iran Watch American group, which posted disturbing information on its website revealing that with existing uranium stockpiles, Iran could produce a bomb equivalent to the one which destroyed much of Hiroshima Japan in 1945 in less than two months time. Another American group, the Institute for Science and International Security think tank, said Iran has enriched enough uranium to build five nuclear warheads if refined to ninety percent. The reports came just before the UN’s Atomic Energy Agency issued its latest review of Iran’s nuclear program on May 25, saying the Islamic state is pressing ahead with its uranium enrichment program. It said Iran has produced an additional 750 kilograms of enriched uranium since its last report was issued in February, with monthly production rising by around a third since then.

With this tumultuous region at the heart of planet earth now spinning around at a dizzying pace, it is wonderful to know and worship the One who holds the whole world in His unshakable hands:

“‘For I know the plans that I have for you,’ declares the LORD, ‘plans for welfare and not for calamity, to give you a future and a hope’” (Jeremiah 29:10:12).



l Lindsey Report… May 25, 2012  We are getting into alignment.

Prophecy Before Our Eyes…WND EXCLUSIVE… 15,000 GATHER TO APPLY SHARIAH IN U.S

WND EXCLUSIVE

15,000 GATHER TO APPLY SHARIAH IN U.S.

Islamic organization says community needs to better understand

Published: 2 hours ago

The End-Time is Here

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Shariah law is famous for making headlines in the West over its penalties, such as beheadings and amputations; its treatment of women and the violence that is allowed, and its relegation to those who follow other faiths to a subservient status.

Now, it seems, there’s a new move to expand its influence in the United States, with a weekend conference in Hartford, Conn., on “Understanding Shariah” and “how to apply Shariah in a society where most people are not of the same faith.”

The conference is being assembled by the Islamic Circle of North America, which earlier was revealed through a campaign by Stop Islamization of Nations, to be trying to “mainstream Shariah.”

Officials say they expect some 15,000 to attend the events at the 37th annual ICNA convention.

“Muslims need to be educated about Shariah,” said Naeem Baig, the organization’s vice president for public affairs, in announcing the events.

“There’s a need for the community to better understand what Shariah means to us, and how to apply Shariah in a society where most people are not of the same faith,” he said.

The conflict between Shariah and Western justice, which was outlined nearly a millennium ago in the Magna Carta and enshrined in the U.S. Constitution, has been on the rise recently.

The result has been a move among states, including Arizona, Oklahoma, Missouri, South Dakota, Tennessee and Kansas, to make statements that would prevent American jurisprudence from taking a back seat to the dictates of the Islamic religious law in American courts.

Baig called the concern “a deep-down hatred of Muslims” and said, “They don’t want to see Muslims in America.”

 ICNA said many of the convention programs focus on educating Muslims about Shariah, and the “myths” about Shariah.

But the Stop Islamization of Nations campaign is buying ad space for a billboard calling on Americans to learn the dark side of Islamic law.

The effort’s leader, Pamela Geller, says her group has one real purpose – to counter the impact of the pro-Shariah billboard campaign of the Islamic Circle of North America, an alleged Muslim Brotherhood front organization.

Geller pointed out that captured internal documents indicated ICNA is a Muslim Brotherhood group.

“Muslim Brotherhood groups in America are trying to … mainstream Shariah,” Geller warned.

The billboard will lead people to the Refuge from Islam site.

“The Muslim Brotherhood group ICNA needs to lie to Americans about Shariah and advance a false narrative about the most extreme and radical ideology on the face of the earth. Period,” Geller said.

“They don’t want Americans to know the truth that the gendercide of honor killings, the clitorectomies, the stonings, and the 1,400 years of cultural annihilations and enslavements (that) are all Shariah-mandated,” Geller said.

“We need to counter this campaign publicly. We must educate America and arm freedom lovers with facts,” Geller said.

Geller said Muslims have to take a bold step to truly become Americans.

“The U.S. should be calling upon Muslim groups in America to renounce and reject Shariah if they want to be American citizens,” Geller said.

It was ICNA’s Kansas City pro-Shariah billboard that suggested the response. The Shariah promotion says,”Shariah: Got questions? Get answers? Call 1-855-Shariah.”

Jihad Watch publisher and Islam analyst Robert Spencer said the ICNA campaign is an effort to muddy the waters on Islam.

“ICNA is trying to whitewash Shariah, to hoodwink Americans into thinking that concerns about it are all due to ‘misconceptions’ that can easily be cleared up,” Spencer said.

Spencer added that any inquiries about Shariah’s darker side will receive soft replies.

“I expect that if any inquirers asked about stonings, amputations, the denial of the freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and equality of rights for women and non-Muslims, they’ll be told that none of that is really part of Shariah,” Spencer said.

“ICNA’s goal is to foster complacency and ignorance about Shariah on the part of Americans,” Spencer said.

The very idea of Shariah is antithetical to the freedoms on which America was based, many have concluded. WND columnist Diana West was writing about a new book, “Marked for Death: Islam’s War Against the West and Me.”

For that book, Geert Wilders unearthed some statements revealing the Founding Fathers’ perspective on Islam. She wrote:

“In 1916, Roosevelt observed: ‘Wherever the Mohammedans have had a complete sway, wherever the Christians have been unable to resist them by the sword, Christianity has ultimately disappeared.’

“Roosevelt rejected as ‘naïve’ the notion that ‘all religions are the same.’ Some religions, he explained, ‘give a higher value to each human life, and some religions and belief systems give a lower value.’”

And, she noted, “John Quincy Adams wrote that Muhammad ‘poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war as part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST; TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE.’”

Explained West, “The capital letters are Adams’, by the way, and the source Wilders draws from is ‘The American Annual Register of 1827-28-29,’ where Adams published unsigned essays in 1830 (listed in Lynn H. Parsons’ annotated bibliography of Adams’ works) in between his tenure as president and his return to Congress.”

Prophecy Before Our Eyes….The Nature of the Church

THURSDAY, MAY 17, 2012

The Nature of the Church

Thomas IceBy Dr. Thomas Ice 
Pre-Trib Research Center 
It is not uncommon to hear anti-pretribulationists discount pretribulationism because the Bible teaches that Christians will suffer for Christ. Since pretribulationists teach that the church will not go through the tribulation, some attempt to equate this with a view that Believers will never experience hardship of any kind during the current church age. This is a distortion of our views. Pretribulationism teaches, by God’s grace and decree, the church will not go through the time of God’s wrath because the tribulation is designed for purposes which do not include the church. In fact, we believe that during the church age it is not uncommon for Believers to experience tribulation and even martyrdom.

Church Age Sufferings

The New Testament clearly teaches that church age believers will suffer (John 15:18-2516:33Phil. 1:29Col. 1:242 Tim. 3:12, etc.). Yet this same New Testament promises a deliverance from a coming or future time of wrath. Thus, it follows that there must be different kinds or periods of wrath or persecution that the church will experience and another kind from which she will be delivered. That is exactly the case. Believers suffer persecution during the current church age, but is promised deliverance from a future, coming wrath—the wrath of the tribulation.

God’s Purpose for the Church

God’s plan and purpose for the church would naturally relate to whether He will remove His Bride before the tribulation or have her go through it. Only pretribulationism is able to give full biblical import to the New Testament teaching that the church differs significantly from Israel. The church is said to be a mystery (Eph. 3:1-13) by which Jews and Gentiles are now united into one body in Christ (Eph. 2:11-22). This explains why the church’s translation to heaven is never mentioned in any Old Testament passage dealing with the second coming after the tribulation, and why the church is promised deliverance from the time of God’s wrath during the tribulation (1 Thess. 1:9-105:9Rev. 3:10).

Believers are tested during the church age via the persecution and sometimes even death at the hand of the world (John 15:18–2616:332 Tim. 3:12Rev. 3:10). However, God’s wrath is never directed toward the church, Christ’s bride. Can you image the Lord beating up His bride via the wrath of the tribulation and then marrying her at the end of His period of wrath against her? I cannot, nor does the New Testament, which is why both of us teach the pre-trib rapture view. It is helpful, in determining the timing of the rapture, to note that the translation of the church is never mentioned at all in passages that speak of the second coming of Christ after the tribulation. [1]

Delivered from Wrath

The Apostle Paul notes that the church is not appointed to God’s wrath to be dispensed during the seven years of the tribulation in the following passages:

  • Romans 5:9—“Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.”
  • 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10—“you turned to God from idols to serve a living and true God, and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, that is Jesus, who delivers us from the wrath to come.”
  • 1 Thessalonians 5:9—“For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.”

Because God has promised that the church cannot enter the time of “the wrath of the Lamb” or “the great day of their wrath” (Rev. 6:16-17), the church will have been taken to heaven before this time.

Old Testament Origin of Wrath Terminology

The Old Testament taught that there would come a time, just before Israel returns in faith to the Lord, resulting in God returning them to a place of glory in the world. Deuteronomy 4:30 said, “When you are in distress and all these things have come upon you, in the latter days, you will return to the Lord your God and listen to His voice.” The word “distress” or “tribulation” in the KJV is said in Zephaniah 1:15 and 18 to be a time of God’s wrath. “A day of wrath is that day, a day of trouble and distress, a day of destruction and desolation, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick darkness” (Zep. 1:15.) “Neither their silver nor their gold will be able to deliver them on the day of the Lord’s wrath; and all the earth will be devoured in the fire of His jealousy, for He will make a complete end, indeed a terrifying one, of all the inhabitants of the earth” (Zep. 1:18).

The Old Testament calls this time “the day of the Lord,” or what is more commonly known as “the tribulation.” It will be a time of wrath—God’s wrath against the world and the earth dwellers. What is the purpose for His wrath? God’s purpose for the seven-year tribulation includes a time of wrath or judgment upon the Gentiles for their treatment through the years of Israel (Deut. 30:7) and for their rejection of Israel’s Messiah–Jesus (Rev. 3:10). It becomes obvious that since the church does not fit God’s purpose for His wrath, God has chosen to remove the church from this time-period. This is the point Paul is making when he promises deliverance from this time of wrath. The only way this can be fulfilled is through a pretribulational rapture of the church. Dr. Renald Showers explains:

the reason church saints should protect their minds with the certainty of being delivered from the wrathful first phase of the broad Day of the Lord is because God has appointed them to a radically different destiny from that of the unsaved. The unsaved will be overtaken by and experience the destruction of the wrathful first phase of the broad Day of the Lord. By contrast, God did not purpose church saints to experience His wrath. Instead, He intentionally purposed them to obtain salvation or deliverance from the wrathful first phase of the broad Day, which belongs to the unsaved. [2]

Forgiveness of sins through Christ prepares the church so that she will not be overtaken by the day of the Lord (1 Thess. 5:1-9), which includes the tribulation. This will be achieved by the rapture, mentioned by Paul in the preceding chapter (1 Thess. 4:13-18).

Kept from the Hour

The church is explicitly promised, through the church of Philadelphia (Rev. 3:10), deliverance from “the hour of testing,” which is a reference to the tribulation. Here is a clear passage teaching that the church will escape the tribulation, since God has revealed that it will be “to test those who dwell upon the earth.”

  • Revelation 3:10—“‘Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell upon the earth.’”

Believers are promised deliverance from the hour of testing. This means that the church is totally absent from the time period of this testing. It is said to be a time of worldwide testing. Further, it will test “those who dwell upon the earth.” This single Greek word “earth dwellers” is used ten other times in Revelation (6:10; 8:13; 11:10 [twice]; 13:8, 12, 14 [twice]; 17:2, 8), as “a company of people constantly in view through the Apocalypse as objects of God’s wrath because of their rebellion against Him…. These are men given up to evil and hatred of God’s saints.” [3] Thus, a contrast between what God has in store for His church and unbelievers could not be greater. Every aspect of this passage strongly supports pretribulationism. Jeffrey Townsend concludes as follows:

Although Revelation 3:10 describes the result of the rapture (i.e., the position and status of the church during the Tribulation), and not the rapture itself, the details of the hour of testing just mentioned establish the pretribulation rapture as the most logical deduction from this verse. The promise of preservation is from a period of time that will envelop the whole world. Only a pretribulation rapture would remove the church completely from the earth and its time continuum. Thus the pretribulation rapture is found to be a proper logical deduction from the data found inRevelation 3:10. [4]

Dr. Charles Ryrie adds:

the promise of Revelation 3:10 not only guarantees being kept from Tribulation trials but from the Tribulation period itself. The promise is not, “I will keep you from the trials.” It is “I will keep you from the hour of the trials.” [5]

Conclusion

The godly remnant of the tribulation are pictured as Israelites and Gentiles, not members of the church. Thus, pretribulationists do not confuse general terms like “elect” and “saints,” which are used in the Bible of all the saved of the ages, with specific terms like “church” and those “in Christ,” which refer to believers of this age only. The nature and purpose of the church is said to be unique and separate from Israel. This provides a biblical basis for removal of the church before God completes the final seven years leading up to Israel’s redemption and exaltation during the millennium. We have seen that there are specific passages promising the church’s removal before the time of the tribulation gets under way. These passages can only be harmonized with the rest of the Bible within a pre-trib framework, thus making sure that our Blessed Hope is imminent indeed. Maranatha!

Prophecy Before our Eyes…. The Coming Kingdom (Part 4)

TUESDAY, MAY 22, 2012

The Coming Kingdom (Part 4)

Andy WoodsBy Dr. Andy Woods 
Sugar Land Bible Church 
Because today’s evangelical world largely believes that the church is presently experiencing the messianic kingdom, we began a study chronicling what the Bible teaches concerning this important issue of the kingdom. That there will be a future, messianic kingdom on earth has been revealed thus far through the divine intention to restore the office of Theocratic Administrator (Gen. 1:26-28) that was lost in Eden (Gen. 3). Likewise, the promise of a future, earthly, messianic reign was prophesied in theAbrahamic Covenant (Gen. 15) and related sub-covenants. It was also explained that while these covenants guarantee that the kingdom will one day come to the earth through Israel, according to the Mosaic Covenant, the kingdom’s ultimate manifestation is conditioned upon the nation’s acceptance of Christ as her long-awaited king during the final events of the future Tribulation period. The previous article also explained how God restored the office of Theocratic Administrator that was lost in Eden, at least in a limited sense, at Sinai. This theocratic arrangement covered most of Old Testament history as God, even after the time of Moses, governed Israel indirectly through Joshua, various judges, and finally, Israel’s kings until the Babylonian Captivity ended the Theocracy.

Times of the Gentiles

This Babylonian Captivity initiated a dark time in Jewish history known as the “Times of the Gentiles” (Luke 21:24;Rev. 11:2). This era is defined as the period of time when the nation no longer has a Davidic king reigning on David’s Throne. During this period, Judah would be trampled down by various Gentile powers. These powers include Babylon (605–539 B.C.), Medo-Persia (539–331 B.C.), Greece (331–63 B.C.), Rome (63 B.C.–A.D. 70), as well as the future, revived Roman Empire of the Antichrist (sometimes called “Rome Phase II”). Nebuchadnezzar, in a dream, saw this time period symbolized by a beautiful, dazzling statue. Each part of the statue represents a different Gentile power (Dan. 2). In his dream, Daniel saw the same period of time in the form of four grotesque beasts. Each beast pictured a different Gentile power (Dan. 7). To Nebuchadnezzar, who was the king of Babylon or the first Gentile power to trample down Judah, this period appeared beautiful. This perspective explains why Nebuchadnezzar perceived this era in the form of an attractive statue. To Daniel, a Jew, whose people would be trampled down by these Gentile powers, this period was dismal. This perspective explains why he saw the Times of the Gentiles as represented by various ferocious beasts.

Note, the Times of the Gentiles, which began with Nebuchadnezzar’s deposing of Zedekiah and the Babylonian Captivity in 586 B.C., are marked by the following three characteristics: the termination of the earthly theocracy, the lack of a Davidic king reigning on David’s Throne in Jerusalem, and Judah being trampled underfoot by a successive array of Gentile powers. The Times of the Gentiles will run their course and will eventually conclude with restoration of a rightful king reigning on David’s Throne, and the return of the shekinah glory of God to the Millennial temple (Ezek. 43:1-5). This difficult period will end with the return of Jesus Christ to rule and reign from David’s Throne in Jerusalem (Dan. 2:34-3544-45Matt. 25:31). While the Times of the Gentiles began with Nebuchadnezzar’s deposing of Zedekiah, it will be terminated at the return and enthronement of Christ thus inaugurating the long-awaited messianic kingdom.

Thus, only after the final kingdom of man (the revived Roman Empire of the Antichrist) has been terminated by Christ, will the Davidic kingdom then be established on earth (Dan. 2:34-3543-457:23-27). This fact alone should deter interpreters from finding a premature manifestation of the kingdom in the present Church Age. Unfortunately, “kingdom now” theologians ignore this chronology by arguing for a present, spiritual form of the kingdom, despite the fact that the kingdoms of man have not yet run their course, the Antichrist and his kingdom have not yet been overthrown, and the Second Advent has not yet occurred. This Danielic chronology causes Unger to conclude:

…Daniel neither in the image prophecy of chapter 2 nor in the beast prophecy of chapter 7 deals with the present age of the calling out of the church, the period during which Israel is temporarily in national rejection…Daniel was given the prophetic vision of Rome up to the time of Christ’s death (the two legs). The vision resumed with the resumption of the divine dealing with national Israel (after the completion of the church at the rapture) during the period between glorification of the church and the establishment of the Kingdom over Israel (Acts 1:6). Hence, the iron kingdom with its feet of iron and clay (cf. 3:33-35, 40, 44) and the nondescript beast of 7:7-8 envision not only Gentile power (1) as it was at the first advent, but (2) also the form in which it will existafter the church period, when God will resume His dealing with thenation Israel. How futile for conservative scholars to ignore that fact and to seek to find literal fulfillment of those prophecies in history or in the church, when those predictions refer to events yet future and have no application whatever to the church. [1]

The Prophets Anticipate the Kingdom

Throughout the dark years of national disobedience, Gentile dominion, and kingdom postponement, the Old Testament prophets held out hope for the nation and the world by faithfully speaking of a coming generation of Jews who would return to Yahweh thereby ushering in kingdom blessings. On account of this ray of spiritual light that the prophets provided in the midst of spiritual darkness, Peter refers to prophecy as, “…the prophetic word made more sure, to which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts” (2 Pet. 1:19). While it would take multiple volumes to adequately portray all that the Old Testament prophets revealed concerning the coming kingdom, [2] a few predictions from the prophet Isaiah will suffice. According to Isaiah 2:1b-4:

Now it will come about that In the last days The mountain of the house of the LORD Will be established as the chief of the mountains, And will be raised above the hills; And all the nations will stream to it. And many peoples will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, To the house of the God of Jacob; That He may teach us concerning His ways And that we may walk in His paths.” For the law will go forth from Zion, And the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. And He will judge between the nations, And will render decisions for many peoples; And they will hammer their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, And never again will they learn war.

Isaiah 11:6-9 similarly says:

And the wolf will dwell with the lamb, And the leopard will lie down with the young goat, And the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little boy will lead them. Also the cow and the bear will graze, Their young will lie down together, And the lion will eat straw like the ox. The nursing child will play by the hole of the cobra, And the weaned child will put his hand on the viper’s den. They will not hurt or destroy in all My holy mountain, For the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD As the waters cover the sea.

According to these wonderful predictions, when the messianic kingdom materializes, Jerusalem will be the center of world spiritual and political authority. This authority will result in perfect justice, world peace, cessation of conflict with and among the animal kingdom, and universal, spiritual knowledge. These glorious conditions await a future Jewish generation’s enthronement of the king of God’s own choosing (Deut. 17:15). Such enthronement will make Israel not only the owner but also the possessor of all that is promised in Israel’s covenants. As these covenantal blessings come upon Israel in that future day, the entire world will be blessed as well (Rom. 11:1215).

Continuation of the Times of the Gentiles Until Christ’s Coming

Following the Babylonian Captivity in 586 B.C., the prophesied seventy years of national, divine discipline had run their course (Lev. 25:1-72 Chron. 36:20-21Jer. 25:1129:10). The newly inaugurated Persian government allowed God’s people to return to their homeland (Ezra; Neh.). Thus, by the time of Christ, the nation had been back in the Promised Land for over five centuries. However, such long residency in the land did not mean that the Times of the Gentiles had concluded. During all of this time, Israel still had no reigning king upon David’s Throne. Moreover, as Daniel predicted (Dan. 2; 7), Israel continued to be under the domination of various Gentile powers. Those powers included Persia, which was followed by Greece, and finally Rome. By the time Christ was born, the Roman Empire occupied the Promised Land, placed Israel under an enormous tax burden, and usurped from the Jews the right to execute their own criminals. Beyond this, the nation had gone through four hundred years of silence when God was not directly speaking to His people through prophetic oracles.

Against the backdrop of such silence and bondage entered Jesus Christ,the rightful heir to David’s Throne. The Gospel accounts identify and affirm Jesus Christ as the long-awaited Davidic Descendant prophesied in both the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants. For example, Matthew’s Gospel connects Christ genealogically to both Abraham and David (Matt. 1:17). Matthew also routinely associates Christ with the title “Son of David” (Matt. 9:27). Luke similarly shows Jesus to be the rightful Heir to God’s promises to David (Luke 1:32-3368-69).

The Coming Termination Of The Church Age

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Anonymous asked:How should I explain death to a young child?

The way I explained death to my children was when we had people in our family pass on.  They asked me what was going to happen to them.  My mother passed in 2009 and my grandson wanted to know where she was.  I was really honest with him.  He was 8 years old and I told him that GG (Great Grandmother) went to be with Jesus. That her little body just was old and tired and she needed to go home.  He spoke with her shortly before her death.  They told each  other how much they loved each other and mama passed.  He cried with all of us because we were really going to miss GG.  She was special to all of us.  We knew she was with Jesus in glory!!!!  I told him that we would see her again when we are taken up in the Rapture.  GGs body will rise first and her body will be connected to her spirit that is already in Heaven with Jesus.  Then we are going to rise and meet them in the sky and he will get to meet all of his family members that have gone to meet the Lord.  He seemed genuinely relieved.  He loved my mother and saw how she suffered and he was happy she is with Jesus and he even told me that he had dream that she had a big smile on her face.  I think the Lord allowed that just for him.  God bless you!!! :):)

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Anonymous asked:what is the rapture?

The Rapture is the next occurrence on God’s calendar and is the literal, visible and bodily return of Christ in the heavenlies.  He shall return as he left (Acts 1:9-11).  One can easily know how He departed by studying Luke 24:39.  He had a new resurrected body of flesh and bones – a body that could be seen, touched, and fed (verses 41-43).  When He returns in the heavenlies, all believers, dead and living, will also be taken bodily to meet Him in the clouds.  We shall be changed as this mortal body puts on immortality and is transformed to be like Jesus’ body (1 Corinthians 15:51-54; Psalm 17:15; 1 John 3:2).  This happens in a moment, in “the twinkling of an eye.”

This event ends the Church Age and ushers in the Tribulation period.  The Rapture of the Church involves the resurrection of the Christian dead as well as the exit from earth of all believers living at that time (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18).  Regarding the Christian dead, the Bible teaches that the body is asleep in one place (the grave) whereas the soul is alive in another place (heaven).  To be “absent from the body” is to be present with the Lord (2 Corinthians 5:8).  When Christ returns at the Rapture, He brings those that sleep (are dead) with Him (1 Thessalonians 4:14).  How can He bring the dead with Him and still come for the dead (1 Thessalonians 4:16)?  The dead are in two places!  The souls and spirits are with the Lord but their bodies are in the grave.  Hence Christ brings the dead (souls and spirits) with Him so they may be reunited with their bodies.  That is why the dead in Christ rise first.

The return of Christ for His Church is a signless and always imminent event.  Even the New Testament writers expected the Lord’s return at any moment (Philippians 3:20).  All signs of the Lord’s return have to do with the coming of Christ to set up His kingdom.  They are only indicators of the approaching Rapture because that event precedes the establishment of the kingdom by seven years… in fact; we must be raptured so as to return with Him.  The moment the Antichrist signs the seven-year peace pact the Tribulation period will begin and the timetable will be evident.  Date setting will now be conclusive and Christ’s return will no longer be imminent.  It will be exactly 84 months or 2,520 days until Christ returns to establish His kingdom.  The Rapture must precede the Tribulation Hour.

The Church is not to be the recipient of wrath.  When one considers God’s purpose for the Tribulation, it is difficult to place the Bride of Christ into such a horrendous scene.  Why should Christ’s Bride suffer the judgments of the seven seals, seven trumpets, and seven vials found in revelation 6, 8, 9, 11, 15, 16, when the Church cannot be found beyond the third chapter of the Book of Revelation?  No, the Tribulation Hour is primarily a time of judgment upon a Christ-rejecting, God-rejecting world – both Jew and Gentile (Ezekiel 20:37, 38; Micah 5:15).  Paul assured the Thessalonian Christians that they would not go through the Tribulation (1 Thessalonians 5:9).  Although the Church is not all it should be, the world is better because the Church is present.  The Holy Spirit, working through Christians, holds back the tide of evil sweeping the world.  When His influence in this matter is removed at the Rapture, think of the wickedness that shall follow!

During the Tribulation period on earth, the raptured Christians have an appointment with Christ at the Judgment Seat of Christ (2 Corinthians 5:19; Romans 14:10, 12).

The word “Rapture” does not appear in the Bible.  It was coined from the Latin rapiemur to portray the experience of being “snatched away”. The Gathering together. This is what is going to happen one day soon as the people of God disappear from the earth and immediately meet Christ to stand before the Judgment Seat.

 

I guess it all comes back to how you understand the Lord and the Word of God.  I believe in the Pre Tribulation Rapture. 

WHY DO I BELIEVE IN A PRE-Tribulation Rapture?

Below are five reasons why I believe in a pre-Tribulation Rapture:

God has not appointed us to wrath (1 Thessalonians 5:9)

The first 42 months is the wrath of the Lamb (Revelation 6:16)

The second 42 months is the wrath of God (Revelation 14:10). 

The wrath of the Lamb is poured out first because of the Gentile nations’ treatment of the church.  The wrath of God is poured out the final 42 months because of the treatment of the Gentile nations against Israel.

The church is not mentioned after chapter three of the book of Revelation.

 

 We are the Body of Christ on earth (1 Corinthians 12:27)

We will be the Bride of Christ in heaven (Revelation 21:2)

 

 The Tribulation is time of Jacob’s (Israel’s) trouble.

Jacob’s trouble was two timeframes of seven years each (Gen 29)

The first seven he worked for Rachel and received Leah (Gen 29:25)

The second seven he worked for Rachel and received her (Gen 29:28)

The theme in Scripture is that the righteous can escape the wrath.      

True believers (the church) will escape the Lamb’s wrath (Luke 21:36)

A Jewish remnant will escape the wrath of God (Revelation 14:1)

God seals what is His. 

The church is sealed with the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 1:13-14)

A Jewish remnant is sealed with the seal of God (Revelation 7:1-4).  The book of Revelation covers seven years of the wrath of the Lamb and of God.

 The Old Testament gives us pictures of the Rapture.  Three men – Enoch, Moses and Elijah reveal the tree types of people linked to the Rapture and the Tribulation!

 Enoch is a picture of the Rapture

Enoch was the seventh man from Adam (Jude 14)

Enoch was a prophet who saw the return of Christ (Jude 14)

Enoch walked with God for 365 years (Gen 5:23)

Enoch:  God took him – he was translated (Hebrews 11:5)

Genesis 5:24 – “Enoch was not for God took him…”

The word for “took him” is laqach meaning “to take away”

The root word also means “to marry or wed”.

Notes:  Someone taking another to himself (John 14: 1-3) Enoch represents the living saints who suddenly disappear.

 Moses’ death is a picture of the dead in Christ.

Moses went to the top of Mount Pisgah (Mount Nebo)

He saw the Promised Land and then died.  God buried him. (Deut 34:6). 

No Israelite could find the body.

Note:  Moses represents the dead saints whose bodies will be missing at the resurrection!

Elijah was taken alive in a whirlwind after he crossed the Jordan River.

“And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that behold there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.  And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof.”  -2 Kings 2:11-12

 The Jordan River was the border between the wilderness and Primsed Land.

A remnant of Jews will be protected in the wilderness (Revelation 12:6)

A remnant of Jews will be called up to heaven (Revelation 14:1)

These are those who were sealed with the seal of God (Revelation 7:3-8)

Elijah is one of two witnesses involved with this group (Revelation 11:1-3)

Note:  Elijah represents the Jewish remnant caught up during the Tribulation.

 

 The summary 

Enoch represents the living saints who are caught up (1 Thessalonians 4:17)

Moses represents the saints who have died who will resurrect (1 Corinthians 15:52)

Elijah represents the Jewish Remnant who will be caught up (Revelation 12:5, 14:1)

 

 More thoughts on pre-Tribulation

 The Mystery of the Seven Angels (trumpet judgments)

“And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.”  -Revelation 8:2

“But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.”  -Revelation 10:7

These 7 trumpets sound in the first half of the Tribulation and conclude the first 42 months!

“And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.”  -Revelation 15:1

“And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and  having their breast girded with gold girdles.”  -Revelation 15:6

“…no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.” – Revelation 15:8

Note:  There are seven seals, seven trumpet judgments, and seven vialjudgments.

Compare the similarities between the trumpet and vial judgments in Revelation:

THE TRUMPETS

Hail, fire and burning trees (8:7)

A mountain of fire (8:8)

An asteroid pollutes waters (8:10)

The sun, moon and stars dark (8:12)

The pit is opened (9:1)

Four angels are loosed (9:14)

The mystery of God finished (10:7)

 

THE BOWLS (VIALS)

Sores break out on men (16:2)

The sea turns to blood (16:3)

The rivers are polluted (16:4)

The sun scorched men (16:8)

Darkness on the beast kingdom (16:10)

The Euphrates dries up (16:12)

It is completed (16:17)

 

Are these seven supernatural angels or could they be seven men (prophets)?

“and I fell at his feet to worship him.  And he said unto me, see thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testiomony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”  -Revelation 19:10

“and I John saw these things and heard them.  And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which showed me these things.  Then saith he unto me, see thou do it not for I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book”  -Revelation 22:8-9

The word angels in Greek:

Can be both human and heavenly messengers.

The Greek word is aggellos; 181 times it is translated as angel; 4 times as messenger.

Angello means to deliver a message.

Note:  In Revelation 1:20, seven angels are over the seven churches.(these were pastors)

The seventh angel said to John:

I am a fellow servant (Revelation 22:9)

I am a prophet (Revelation 22:9)

I keep the words of this book (Revelation 22:9)

Jesus sent his angel to reveal the book (Revelation 22:16)

If they are Old Testament Prophets:

There are seven major prophets whose judgments line up with Revelations judgments:

The hail, fire and burning – Ezekiel 38:22

Mountain burning with fire – Jeremiah 51:25

An asteroid falling and water polluted –Isaiah 64:1-3

The sun, moon and stars scorched – Joel 2:30-31

Four angels loosed/The Euphrates River –Zechariah 10:11

The mystery is finished – Daniel 12:9

If they are New Testament prophets:

Fellow servant is a New Testament term (Colossians 1:7, 4:7)

The Prophets were in the New Testament (Acts 21:10, Titus 1:12, 1 Corinthians 14:37)

Believers were instructed to keep the word (John 14:15, 14:23, 15:10).

Pastors of the seven churches are called angels (Revelation 2:1, 2:8, 2:12, 2:18, 3:1, 3:7 and 3:14)

 Men have been “entering the Temple.”  As judgments are poured out, no man is entering!  So who are the men?  There has been a resurrection!  The men have been Raptured and caught up to heaven!  These angels are men, prophets.  The resurrection and Rapture have occurred long before Revelation 8:2.

 Note:  Mid Tribulation is Revelation 11-12 and 13.

           Post Tribulation is in Revelation 19

 An interesting look at Second Thessalonians Chapter 2

 “Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and by our gathering together unto him, that ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as the day of Christ is at hand.”

 

“Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there comes a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.”

“Remember when I was with you I told you these things?  Now you know what witholdeth that he might be revealed in his own time.  For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.”

 “And then shall the Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth and destroy with the brightness of his coming.”   - 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8

With regard to these letters:

The first letter Paul wrote was First Thessalonians (it mentioned the coming)

In the second letter, a person had forged Paul’s name saying the Lord had returned.  ‘

Paul mentioned two events – the coming and the gathering together.

“In regard to the coming of the Lord and our gathering together with him, why are you troubled that the day of the Lord is at hand (is present).”

Note:  The Day of the Lord is the Tribulation.  The trouble made them feel it was at hand.

Two things precede the Day of the Lord

The falling away comes first

Then the man of sin will be revealed (Greek: apokalupto – to “lay open what is veiled”)

The falling away has been interpreted to mean a revolt and rebellion from the truth (This will come).  However in the Greek there can be another meaning. 

Falling away is (Greek) apostasia – This is not the translation of the word itself.

Root verb is aphistemi and is found fifteen times in the New Testament

Eleven times is translated as “Depart” and one time it refers to the faith.

Eight times it alludes to the departure of a person from one place to another.

Other places where apostasia is found:

Luke 8:13 –“in temptation they fell away”

Acts 5:37 – “drew away much people.”

Acts 5:38 – “refrain from these men”

The primary meaning of a person departing from a place or from another person.  The word means “Defection of a freedom from his patron” or “a divorce or repudiation”.

Apostasia is also found in Acts 21:21

“Teaching all Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses.”

Forsake (AV translation of the word) involves a departure.

The second meaning of apostasia is a departing, or a disappearance.

Let no man deceive you by any means, for that day shall not come except their come a departing first and that man of sin be disclosed… - 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (Tyndale 1534)

Do not allow anyone to lead you astray in any way, because that day shall not come except the aforementioned departure (of the church to heaven) come first and the man of lawlessness is disclosed (in his true identity) the man of perdition.. -2 Thessalonians 2:3   (Kenneth Wuest [The New Testament – An Expanded Translation])

ALL OF THE BIBLES TRANSLATED BEFORE THE 1611 KING James VERSION USED THE WORD DEPARTING INSTEAD OF FALLING AWAY!

This included Tyndale (1534), Cloverdale (1535), The Geneva Bible (1537), Crammer (1539), The Beza (1565)  — All used the phrase: “the departing”.

The meaning(s) of apostasies.

A revolt; a rebellion against God

A departing or departure.

The context determines the meaning.  This was “the” (definite article) departure, something specific that was already known to the readers.  What was already known?

And to wait for his son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath come.  -1 Thessalonians 1:10

To the end he may stablish your hearts unblamable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.  -1 Thessalonians 3:13

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first.”  -1 Thessalonians 4:16

For yourselves know perfectly well that the day of the Lord cometh as a thief in the night… But ye are not in darkness that day should overtake you as a thief.  -1 Thessalonians 5:2 and 4

The Restrainer holding back the man of sin

“Now you know what withholdeth he might be revealed in his time” – 2 Thessalonians 2:6

“He who now letteth will let until he be taken out of way.” – 2 Thessalonians 2:7

“Then (after the restrainer is gone) the wicked is revealed.” -2 Thessalonians 2:8

Note: Both witholdeth and letteth are the Greek word meaning, “to restrain”.

Who is doing the restraining?

The He is a personal pronoun

Scholars say 1) Governments 2) Roman Empire 3) the church.

The best choice is the church.

Why the church as the restrainer?

The word church in Greek is ekklesia which is a feminine word.

The church is compared to a body (masculine while being on earth)

“Till we come in the unity of the faith, and the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man unto the measure of the stature fullness of Christ.”  -Ephesians: 4:13

“and he (Christ) is the head of the body, the church…” – Colossians 1:18

“For by one Spirit are ye baptized into one body.” 1 Corinthians 12:13

“there is only one body and one Spirit…”  - Ephesians 4:4

“So we being many are one body in Christ”  - Romans 12: 4-5

“And he hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be head over all things to the church.  Which is his body the fullness of him that fillith all in all.”  -Ephesians 1:22-23

We are the body of Christ on earth and become the bride of Christ in Heaven.  The bride (the Lamb’s wife) is called the New Jerusalem in Revelation 21:9-11.

Summary:

More evidence points to a pre-tribulation Rapture than the others

God has allowed the righteous to escape judgment throughout the Bible

God does not appoint His children to wrath.

The patterns among the prophets also reveal the pre-Tribulation concept. 

 God bless you!!! :):)

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Prophecy Before Our Eyes….


Rabbi Chaim Richman in the USA, June 2012:

“IF YOU BUILD IT, HE WILL COME”

“And He called to Moses, and Hashem spoke to him from the Tent of Meeting, saying, when a man among you… “ (Lev. 1)

Who is the man who hears the voice?

“The voice of Hashem comes in power! The voice of Hashem comes in majesty! The voice of Hashem breaks the cedars, the voice of Hashem strips the forests bare, while in His Temple all will proclaim ‘glory!’” (Psalms 29)

Who hears the voice?

Who hears the voice that calls out every day from Mount Sinai, “Make for Me a Sanctuary, and I will dwell among them?” (Ex. 25:8)

Who hears the voice that calls out, “because of My Temple which is ruined, while you run, each to his own house.” (Hagai 1:9)

Of all the issues we confront today, there is only one which holds the key. The key to peace, prosperity, security, and fulfillment - the rebuilding of the Holy Temple in Jerusalem, the place that G-d has chosen.

What is holding back the people of Israel from rebuilding the Temple today? How close are we? How will the nations of the world be affected? Are the obstacles really that insurmountable… or could we overcome them if we only try? Are we waiting for G-d to step in and perform a miracle… or is He waiting for us to take the initiative? How can this dream become a reality in our life time? What is the relationship between the promise of the Holy Temple, and major issues such as the peace process, Palestinian terror, America’s relationship with Israel and the Iranian nuclear threat?

If you build it, he will come. With G-d’s help Rabbi Richman will be visiting the United States this coming June to share the Torah’s message of the immediate rebuilding of the Holy Temple, the source of blessing for the whole world.

The Hal Lindsey Report May 11, 2012.  Ezekiel’s Enigma…

Who Are the 24 Elders of Revelation?

FRIDAY, MAY 11, 2012

Who Are the 24 Elders of Revelation?

Thomas IceBy Dr. Thomas Ice 
Pre-Trib Research Center 

And around the throne were twenty-four thrones; and upon the thrones I saw twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white garments, and golden crowns on their heads. —Revelation 4:4

An important interpretative issue in the Book of Revelation revolves around the identity of the 24 elders. Who the 24 elders represent can be very important in regards to the pre-trib rapture. The 24 elders are mentioned five times in the Book of Revelation as follows: 4:4, 10; 5:8; 11:16; and 19:4. If they represent the church, then it reflects what one would expect if the rapture has occurred before the tribulation has begun. If it represents someone else, then it would not necessarily argue against pretribulationism, especially if they were angels. I think it is clearly the church that these 24 elders represent and therefore it supports the fact that Christ’s Bride has been taken to heaven before the start of the tribulation.

Angels or Humans?

Some think that the 24 elders are angels. If they are angels then they cannot represent the church or redeemed humans of any distinction. Robert Thomas argues that the 24 elders are angels and says the following:

This particular group of angels primarily assists in the execution of the divine rule of the universe. Very probably they are part of the assembly of heavenly beings that are regularly pictured as present with God in heaven (cf. 1 Kings 22:19Ps. 89:7Isa. 24:23). [1]

John MacArthur makes a strong case that the 24 elders represent a completed body of redeemed humanity, which at this point in future history could only be the church.

First, the reference to the twenty-four thrones on which the twenty-four elders sat indicates that they reign with Christ. Nowhere in Scripture do angels sit on thrones, nor are they pictured ruling or reigning. Their role is to serve as “ministering spirits, sent out to render service for the sake of those who will inherit salvation” (Heb. 1:14; cf. Matt. 18:10). The church, on the other hand, is repeatedly promised a co-regency with Christ (2:26–27; 3:21; 5:10; 20:4; Matt. 19:28Luke 22:301 Cor. 6:2–32 Tim. 2:12).

Presbuteroi (elders) is never used in Scripture to refer to angels, but always to men. It is used to speak of older men in general, and the rulers of both Israel and the church. There is no indisputable use of presbuteroi outside of Revelation to refer to angels. (Some believe that “elders” in Isaiah 24:23 refers to angels, but it could as well refer to humans.) Further, “elder” would be an inappropriate term to describe angels, who do not age.

While angels do appear in white (e.g., John 20:12Acts 1:10), white garments more commonly are the dress of believers. That is particularly true in the immediate context of Revelation. Christ promised the believers at Sardis that they would “be clothed in white garments” (3:5). He advised the apostate Laodiceans to “buy from Me … white garments so that you may clothe yourself” (3:18). At the marriage supper of the Lamb, His bride will “clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean” (19:8). White garments symbolize Christ’s righteousness imputed to believers at salvation.

That the elders wore golden crowns on their heads provides further evidence that they were humans. Crowns are never promised in Scripture to angels, nor are angels ever seen wearing them.Stephanos (crown) is the victor’s crown, worn by those who successfully endured the trial, those who competed and won the victory. Christ promised such a crown to the loyal believers at Smyrna: “Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of 
life” (2:10). “Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things,” wrote Paul. “They then do it to receive a perishable wreath [stephanos], but we an imperishable” (1 Cor. 9:25). He wrote of that imperishable crown again in 2 Timothy 4:8: “In the future there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day; and not only to me, but also to all who have loved His appearing.” James wrote of “the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him” (James 1:12), and Peter of “the unfading crown of glory” (1 Pet. 5:4). Holy angels do not personally struggle with and triumph over sin; thus, the overcomer’s crown, the crown of those who successfully ran the race and finished victorious, would not be appropriate for them. [2]

It is clear to me that the 24 elders must be a reference to humans, not angels. The angels are represented in verse six by the four living creatures. The throne-room scene of chapter four depicts God on His throne and representatives of His domain, which is all of creation, are depicted there. The church is present also represented by the 24 elders.

Why the Number Twenty-Four?

Some believe that the number 24 represents all the redeemed throughout history and not just the church. It is argued that in Revelation 21:12–14 the New Jerusalem in the Eternal State is made up of 12 gates with the names of the 12 tribes of Israel written on them (21:12). In verse 14, the wall around the city is made up of 12 foundation stones with the names of the 12 apostles of the Lamb written on them. Thus, 12 plus 12 equals 24 and that would mean that the 24 elders must be composed of all the redeemed, both Israel and the church.

There are a number of problems with this view. First, Revelation 21 does not use the number 24. Instead, to come up with 24 one must add the two numbers together and that requires an assumption not stated in the text. Why did Revelation 21 not use the number 24? Instead, there are two different items to which the two sets of 12 refer. The 12 gates signify the sons of Israel while the church is represented by 12 foundation stones. To mix the gates and foundation stones would be a case of mixing apples and oranges, so to speak. The 24 elders are seen throughout Revelation as a single group, whoever they represent. Revelation 21 does not use the number 24 and is not a reference to the 24 elders.

The number 24 is used in the Old Testament in a similar way that we see its use in Revelation. “There were twenty-four officers of the sanctuary representing the twenty-four courses of the Levitical priests (1 Chron. 24:4–57–18), as well as twenty-four divisions of singers in the temple (1 Chron. 25).” [3] We see in both instances in Chronicles 24 was God’s choice to represent the Levitical priests and the Levitical singers. Thus, 24 appears to be a representative number in Revelation 4 as the elders denote the church in heaven before God’s war council in preparation for the judgment of the world during the tribulation.

Only in one instance does an individual from the 24 elders act as an individual (Rev. 5:5). In this instance it is to speak as the interpreting person to tell John to stop bawling because no one was found to open the scroll. The elder says, “Stop weeping; behold, the Lion that is from the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has overcome so as to open the book and its seven seals.” Why is one of the 24 elders called upon to explain things to John? One of the 24 elders is called upon, instead of an angel that normally explains things in Revelation, because they are the only ones within God’s throne-room that has personally experienced salvation. Since John’s question relates to salvation, it was appropriate for a redeemed individual to note that the Lamb of God—Jesus—was the one qualified to open the scroll. That scroll is the title deed to planet earth and if no one was able to open it then the redemption of earth and mankind could not have been carried out. That is why John was weeping, because he knew that his destiny and that of all of humanity depended upon finding one qualified to open the scroll.

Conclusion

Since the 24 elders of Revelation represent the church in heaven, this means that the church—the body of Christ and His Bride—is complete, since she has received her rewards (i.e., the crowns) and is in a position of co-rulership with Christ (Rev. 3:21). This depiction supports a pre-trib rapture because from a chronological perspective of Revelation 4 the events of the tribulation have yet to begin. How do we know? We know because Revelation 5 presents the plan for tribulation judgment as contained in the scroll that only the Lamb is worthy to open. Revelation 6 portrays the Lamb’s opening of each seal as the initiating cause of those judgments on earth. This would mean that since all 19 seal, trumpet and bowl judgments are contained in the scroll then none of these events of the tribulation could have transpired in Revelation 4. Therefore, if the church is in heaven before the tribulation then pretribulationism is supported by the notion that the 24 elders represent the church.

The reason the 24 elders cannot represent simply redeemed mankind as a whole, which would include Israel, is because the redemption of those people is not yet complete by Revelation 4. The 24 elders cannot include tribulation saints, since their group of redeemed individuals is not complete until the second coming. The same would be true of Israel. It would appear that tribulation saints are grouped with other Gentile believers down through history from Adam until the church and then the tribulation saints. Thus, they are not yet complete. The church alone will be the only complete redeemed people group by the time Revelation 4 occurs in history. This is why the 24 elders in heaven at this time support the church’s blessed hope of the pretribulational rapture. Maranatha!



Endnotes
[1] Robert L. Thomas, Revelation 1-7: An Exegetical Commentary (Chicago: Moody Publishers, 1992), p. 348
[2] (Emphasis original) John MacArthur, Revelation 1–11 (Chicago: Moody Press, 1999),Rev. 4:4.
[3] MacArthur, Revelation 1–11Rev. 4:4.